The July interview is up — an interview with Jean Hannah Edelstein

This month, we talk to writer Jean Hannah Edelstein — it’s an inspiring chat for margin-writers for sure, covering the glories of being an underachiever at your day job, the fact that rigid schedules aren’t for everyone, and how the reality of writing is sometimes you need another job for the health insurance. We also talk about how she found the confidence to give herself permission to take herself seriously as a writer, and how 11 years later, is seeing a big payoff.

Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or on the show notes page.

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Episode 33’s interview with poet and book publicist Abigail Welhouse reminds us that wanting attention is fine

In Episode 33, we sat down to talk to poet, book publicist and horseback riding instructor Abigail Welhouse, a great treat for April, which is National Poetry Month. Abigail is the author of Bad Baby (dancing girl press), Too Many Humans of New York (Bottlecap Press), and Memento Mori (a poem/comic collaboration with Evan Johnston), and works as a publicist at Scott Manning & Associates. She also works in a second day job for GallopNYC as a horseback riding instructor.

You can follow her by subscribing to her Secret Poems at tinyletter.com/welhouse, following her on Twitter (@welhouse), or check out her website at welhouse.nyc.

Full show notes and the episode are available here. You can also get Marginally on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or wherever get your podcasts.

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In Episode 31, we beg you not to quit your day job

In today’s very candid episode, we discuss something that’s been popping up online recently — our pet topic and the reason for this podcast: writers’ day jobs. We talk about the visible invisibility of writers’ day jobs — why writers have day jobs, and why don’t they talk about them? Let us know what you think.

To listen to the episode and for show notes, go here.

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Do you write on your commute?

Yesterday I saw this article on TheMillions blog about Fiona Mozley, a writer with a 9-to-6 job who started writing her Man-Booker-Prize-finalist novel Elmet on her commute. I really liked this quote from her:

the sentences and paragraphs I wrote on my phone during my commute were very useful for keeping up the momentum. Sometimes when you’re writing–particularly if you’re working full time–you can have periods of writing nothing at all. Even if I found myself unable to write full sections, jotting ideas down on my phone meant that I felt a constant sense of progression.

I really liked this, and I liked her journey that she went on – from writing as an escape from a job and from a life that wasn’t working for her, to moving out of London and gradually building up confidence through part-time work. It is a good article just to get a sense of one writer’s journey.

I am not usually a commuter-writer; in my Eastern Europe city, I walk to work, and in London I was usually on a crowded Tube car. But I totally get the appeal – even apart from the obvious aspects that it’s just a chunk of time you can’t ever get back. I have done it a few times, when something was burning in my head, or when I just didn’t feel right and I needed to get it down. I have written a couple of really powerful scenes or parts of scenes in the Tube, and I always feel like I’m on fire, and like I have an important secret that is somehow also public (you’re surrounded by people, after all), and it does feel like magic.

As writers (and as podcast hosts!) sometimes we read the news about different writers’ routines to find out the magic formula, what can help us to finish our novel or inspire people. But when you really break it down, like this article does, it’s just about making small steps that turn into big leaps – and suddenly you’re writing a real book.

With Mozley, maybe if she’d thought about quitting her job to do a PhD when she first started, it would have sounded like too much, too hard (I don’t know, just speculating). But after she’s spent hours and days on this book, maybe it felt more possible – more and different things feel possible about writing once you start doing the actual writing when you can. Once you start working writing into your life, it also changes your life.

Writing on your commute, like writing during your lunch break or before or work or after work, is a signal that you’re taking yourself and your private, secret work seriously. And that can be hard when you’re working full-time, or when you’re caring for others full-time, or anything else you think you should pay more attention to than your own projects. But still we do it. We wake up early, or we huddle into our jackets and write away on a tiny notebook so no one can watch us on the train. We start typing ideas in our phones, or we try to type some sentences on the Tube or train.

It helps us to become who we are, and the practice of doing it helps us to find out who we are, too.

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Loving the day job

This week, I love my day job. Why? It’s SUCH a great distraction. I finished my rewrites on Saturday, working through the plot issues I talked about in episode 22, and sent it off to a couple of readers. I found the query letter I worked up for a workshop and as a plotting exercise last year, and it turns out it’s pretty good. Then — against all advice — I opened up my manuscript on my e-reader to give it a full read through to get a big-picture look.

There’s a reason the advice all says to let your work rest for a week or more. In the space of five hours — the time between sending off my MS to some readers and reading the first page of my book — I went from “I FINISHED MY BOOK!” to “EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE FOREVER.”

So thank goodness for my day job. Monday morning, I pulled up the book I had queued to index, and one of my business partners passed another one to me, so I’m busy. With things that have nothing to do with my book, and things that keep me too busy to touch my book. Also, 3 of the 4 of us in my family are sick (I must be psychic), so I’m definitely cutting out any non-essential work. And right now, my book is non-essential.

I’m still writing, though, following the advice from next week’s guest to touch the work every day (y’all are going to LOVE her and that episode). It’s super-hard for me to get back into a routine when I’ve let it slide, so I want to keep up my early mornings. I’ve started working through Ursula K. LeGuin’s Steering the Craft, with an eye to a short story I started last spring. Today, I haven’t done anything but this post, but it counts.

And now, back to my day job.

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Episode 7 gets real

We posted Episode 7, and in it we open up about the ugly side of writing when you have a day job – when you can’t really manage to fit everything in, when you feel frustrated, or when you’re just really freaking tired. We know everyone feels this sometimes, so we just went with this feeling, picked it apart, and then talked about some of the things that can get us to writing.

Some of it comes down to this –

– but there’s some other stuff in the episode as well.

As always, we would love to hear how you are doing – so contact us here, on Instagram, or by email. Send us a voice memo, and we will include it on the show!

Full show notes are here.

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Episode 4 is up, and we talk identity

Episode 4 is live — this week is all about identity. How do you handle the dreaded question, “So, what do you do?” Also, whether or not you’re public about being a writer, the intersection of age and shame, and being ambitious while female. We also talk writing uniforms — keep an eye on Instagram this week, and share your writing outfit with us! Use #marginallypodcast or tag us (@marginallypodcast).

As usual, get show notes here, get the show on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or wherever get your podcasts.

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Episode 2 is up, and the kittens are home

Our second episode is up here!  Turns out we had a lot to say about what we get out of our day jobs.

We would love to hear your thoughts on writing retreats, how you keep up your routine when you travel, and how you think about what you get from your job – and what you don’t like.

Plus, I (Olivia) adopted some kittens. I’m now trying to convince them that I’m trustworthy. This photo from my morning writing session represents huge progress – we are all sat at the same table:

For comparison, here’s a photo of when I found out that the grey one doesn’t like to be watched when she eats:

They don’t have names yet. My dad’s suggested Romy and Michele – a pretty solid suggestion, considering how great the film is (I think there’s a glitch in the IMDB star rating on the page I just linked to, ha).

Any literary or funny suggestions?

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