Nina LaCour on why it’s ok to write slowly

Nina LaCour

Today we are so excited to have Nina LaCour on our show. We have been HUGE fans of Nina’s for a long time. Nina is the bestselling and Michael L. Printz Award-winning author of five critically acclaimed young adult novels published by Dutton Books. Her latest book is called Watch Over Me, a spooky atmospheric but also kind and warm book that we both devoured recently and loved.

We have a wide-ranging discussion on her literary friendships and collaborations, building communities, how she balances many projects, and also her latest book.

We loved talking to her, and we are so excited. Check out the full episode and show notes here.

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A statement from Marginally …

… and an update after a long summer.

We wanted to take a second to talk to you after our long silence, which has coincided with the pandemic and the amazing activism of the Black Lives Matter movement, and … so much else.

Part of this silence was our regular break, which we usually do over the summer, as long-time listeners will know. But part of this was because, behind the scenes, we have been in conversations about institutional racism just like so many other white people have been. In particular, we have been talking a lot – and posting sometimes on our Instagram – about our responsibilities in addressing institutional racism and injustice, both in our personal lives, but also in the communities we form, on the platform that we have on this podcast and in our writing. We haven’t just been thinking, but also acting where we can: contacting our political leaders, supporting those who have been harmed and calling for accountability from our politicians, from institutions that we intersect with, and in our communities.

One of our original purposes in starting this podcast was to find a community. There are so many writer spaces out there, but we couldn’t find one that purposefully talked about what we wanted to talk about – keeping your day job, writing alongside everything else, and letting all of those things be part of your writer identity. The community we formed around that has been the most rewarding part of this podcast (besides getting to talk to our best friend every week or so).

That’s evolved, as these things do, and while we still are interested in people’s day jobs, we’ve become interested more broadly in the ways writing intersects with the rest of our lives, and the ways our capitalist culture shapes the pursuit of art (precarity, hustle, gatekeeping). We’ve become more and more interested in the ways artists have historically and currently form communities, especially those formed outside of the various power structures we exist inside – racist, capitalist, sexist, etc.

When we started, we made a commitment to make space for other voices. It turns out, we failed. Our earlier seasons are more diverse, but especially with the money season, as we were drawn to bringing expert voices, we fell into the trap of gatekeeper culture, talking to people whom the publishing world said were the experts. Which meant we talked to a lot of white people. The folks we talked to are very lovely people, and most of them have also been reevaluating how they take up space and who they choose to amplify. We’re grateful we got to talk to them, but we’re also ashamed we didn’t do more work to look farther. To approach more of those we identified outside of white spaces.

We are still on our summer break, and we are going to take a bit more time with this to consider where questions of accountability and justice intersect with our work and in how we build our community. We are also taking all of these questions into our eventual Season 4, in which we’ll be looking at historical collectives, as well as modern established and emerging ones. The shape of the season will be a little different, too, with the bulk of the interview episodes being released in the spring. This fall, we’ll still have episodes, a mix of updates and a handful of interviews related more generally to our original theme of work, writing, and friendship.

We’re newcomers to this space, so please, we welcome all feedback. We’ll make mistakes, and we want to know when we do. Also, while we have a good list to start from, we’re always on the lookout for more potential guests, so if you or someone you know is involved in creating a space for creative work, let us know!

Our email is podcast@marginallypodcast.com – please do feed back there or on Instagram or leave a comment on this website.

Podcast audio and show notes are here.

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Divya Kohli on why we need mindfulness in difficult times

We were originally planning another episode this week, but we decided to release this interview with meditation teacher, yoga teacher and writer Divya Kohli instead. Her new book, Finding Peace in Difficult Times, has been published speedily because of how relevant it is for the current situation in which we find ourselves.

As we discuss here, activism and wellness are not mutually exclusive. Meditation can help you to see what is – help you to see and feel your own feelings, but also can bring you to see what is happening, what is unjust, in the world. It doesn’t have to be a tool of accepting whatever happens and letting it go. It can make you stronger as you commit to new action to change things.

You can find the episode and full show notes here.

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KJ Dell’Antonia & Jess Lahey on building a long-lasting writing friendship

In this episode, we talk to two of the three co-hosts of the #amwriting podcast. (We are huge fans of that podcast, in case you haven’t noticed.) We talk with them about the benefits of having a friendship that is just about writing, about the incredible gift of being able to be open with close friends, and about the relief of finding someone to take writing seriously with.

Full show notes are here.

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Revisiting the Day Job Discussion

We’ve been doing this podcast for almost 3 years now, and we’ve spent a lot of time talking about day jobs:

What are they good for?

Why do you need them? (And we don’t mean just for money.)

What are the ups and downs?

We revisit this question that started the whole podcast, and we talk through how our thoughts have changed.

Also, in our regular chat, we talk about how we are struggling to weave together two plot lines and to make the transitions that make that work.

Check out the full show notes here.

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